Gay is NOT against nature

[gayromantics]

Since homosexuality runs through the animal kingdom, why should we think that being gay is aginst nature? It is silly to think so. Of course most of this thinking comes from being ignorant of the facts. It also comes from religious bigots.

Here is an article about gay animals:

Re: Could an animal be homosexual?
Date: Sun May 28 14:47:28 2000
Posted By: A.E., Undergraduate, Cell biology and genetics, University of British Columbia
Area of science: Zoology
ID: 957229910.Zo
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Hi Adam.
Indeed some animals are, at least according to observations by some
scientists, in particular, Bruce Bagemihl.

Here's a complete article from the Time Magazine. I found it at:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...,23309,00.html

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The Gay Side of Nature


Even as moralists and activists continue to debate homosexuality, many
species casually practice it

BY JEFFREY KLUGER

Giraffes do it, goats do it, birds and bonobos and dolphins do it. Humans
beings--a lot of them anyway--like to do it too, but of all the planet's
species, they're the only ones who are oppressed when they try.

What humans share with so many other animals, it now appears, is
freewheeling homosexuality. For centuries opponents of gay rights have
seen same-gender sex as a uniquely human phenomenon, one of the many ways
our famously corruptible species flouts the laws of nature. But nature's
morality, it seems, may be remarkably flexible, at least if the new book
Biological Exuberance (St. Martin's Press), by linguist and cognitive
scientist Bruce Bagemihl, is to be believed. According to Bagemihl, the
animal kingdom is a more sexually complex place than most people know--one
where couplings routinely take place not just between male-female pairs
but also between male-male and female-female ones. What's more, same-sex
partners don't meet merely for brief encounters, but may form long-term
bonds, sometimes mating for years or even for life.

Bagemihl's ideas have caused a stir in the higher, human community,
especially among scientists who find it simplistic to equate any animal
behavior with human behavior. But Bagemihl stands behind the findings,
arguing that if homosexuality comes naturally to other creatures, perhaps
it's time to quit getting into such a lather over the fact that it comes
naturally to humans too. "Animal sexuality is more complex than we
imagined," says Bagemihl. "That diversity is part of human heritage."

For a love that long dared not speak its name, animal homosexuality is
astonishingly common. Scouring zoological journals and conducting
extensive interviews with scientists, Bagemihl found same-sex pairings
documented in more than 450 different species. In a world teeming with
more than 1 million species, that may not seem like much. Animals,
however, can be surprisingly prim about when and under whose prying eye
they engage in sexual activity; as few as 2,000 species have thus been
observed closely enough to reveal their full range of coupling behavior.
Within such a small sampling, 450 represents more than 20%.

That 20% may spend its time lustily or quite tenderly. Among bonobos, a
chimplike ape, homosexual pairings account for as much as 50% of all
sexual activity. Females especially engage in repeated acts of same-sex
sex, spending far more than the 12 or so seconds the whole transaction can
take when a randy male is involved. Male giraffes practice necking--
literally--in a very big way, entwining their long bodies until both
partners become sexually aroused. Heterosexual and homosexual dolphin
pairs engage in face-to-face sexual encounters that look altogether human.
Animals as diverse as elephants and rodents practice same-sex mounting,
and macaques raise that affection ante further, often kissing while
assuming a coital position. Same-gender sexual activity, says Bagemihl,
"encompasses a wide range of forms."

What struck Bagemihl most is those forms that go beyond mere sexual
gratification. Humboldt penguins may have homosexual unions that last six
years; male greylag geese may stay paired for 15 years--a lifetime
commitment when you've got the lifespan of a goose. Bears and some other
mammals may bring their young into homosexual unions, raising them with
their same-sex partner just as they would with a member of the opposite
sex.

But witnessing same-sex activity and understanding it are two different
things, and some experts believe observers like Bagemihl are misreading
the evidence. In species that lack sophisticated language--which is to say
all species but ours--sex serves many nonsexual purposes, including
establishing alliances and appeasing enemies, all things animals must do
with members of both sexes. "Sexuality helps animals maneuver around each
other before making real contact," says Martin Daly, an evolutionary
psychologist at McMaster University in Ontario. "Putting all that into a
homosexual category seems simplistic."

Even if some animals do engage in homosexual activity purely for pleasure,
their behavior still serves as an incomplete model--and an incomplete
explanation--for human behavior. "In our society homosexuality means a
principal or exclusive orientation," says psychology professor Frans de
Waal of the Yerkes Primate Center in Atlanta. "Among animals it's just
nonreproductive sexual behavior."

Whether any of this turns out to be good for the gay and lesbian community
is unclear. While the new findings seem to support the idea that
homosexuality is merely a natural form of sexual expression, Bagemihl
believes such political questions may be beside the point. "We shouldn't
have to look to the animal world to see what's normal or ethical," he
says. Indeed, when it comes to answering those questions, Mother Nature
seems to be keeping an open mind. END
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For something more try this website:
http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990807/queercreat.html

I found the following article funny and amusing so you should try it.
It's about Dashik and Yahuda, two male vultures, who have raised two baby
birds.
Here's the address:
http://www.cnn.com/NATURE/9909/18/ga...nts/index.html



And finally here's the address to my own website for further links and
opinions.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/7063



Arash E.
Cellular Biology and Genetics
University of British Columbia

[indianbaba]

it may be popular among animals but men have the sixth sense which distinguishes us from animals. the sixth sense is the sense which says which is right and which is wrong.
Any other activities other than a man and a women having sex is surely against nature.

[solksjaer15]

Originally Posted by indianbaba

it may be popular among animals but men have the sixth sense which distinguishes us from animals. the sixth sense is the sense which says which is right and which is wrong.
Any other activities other than a man and a women having sex is surely against nature.

i dont quite agree...the fact is a straight person cant understand gays feeelings...only a gay knows y he/she likes the same a person of the same sex...its not against nature....but in some states its against laws but Laws are man made not natural.............


Those who want to be gays let them be whtas our problem they rnt harmin us anyway r they?

[decoit]

i agree that it is not against nature, i also strongly agree a straight person can not understand a homosexual person,especially since it has been proven that many people are born gay and its caused my different balances of chemicals in the brain.

[indianbaba]

If every man becomes a gay and every woman becomes a lesbian how do u think that the future generations will come.?

[http://neerajsingh.bizhat]

Originally Posted by indianbaba

If every man becomes a gay and every woman becomes a lesbian how do u think that the future generations will come.?

There will always be some exceptions to help growing our future generations. :idea:

Some wild thoughts :-

1) Donor insemination gives a chance to couples (two females getting married) to have a child with at least half the genetic material coming from the mother. :P

2) people have begun to wonder about the web site at http://malepregnancy.com, which purports to chronicle the efforts of one Lee Mingwei to carry off the "first human male pregnancy." The site hosts video clips of "Mr. Lee," an ultrasound video of his "baby," an "interview" in which he explains why he's doing this, a discussion of how male pregnancy is scientifically possible, and a chat room where visitors can discuss the "social implications" of male pregnancies.

So - some hope for Gays.. though the above fact is not well established.

3) Visit - http://www.genochoice.com where you can "Create your own genetically healthy child online!"), an exercise in speculative fantasy. Follow the links from the "Credits" section, and eventually you'll find a disclaimer which reads:

This site ("Site") was created to be an exploration of a very likely scenario that may one day result from new advances in biotechnology and infertility treatments. The Site itself does not provide actual commercial services, and the information contained on the Site is not represented as being factually accurate. This is a fictitious web site created by a single artist.

(You can also read profiles of Lee Mingwei and his collaborator, Virgil Wong, on the web.)

Perhaps some day these concepts might indeed become reality, but for now they exist only within the realm of fiction.

Lets be optimistic :-)

[http://neerajsingh.bizhat]

Hi gayromantics,

It seems that you have posted the same message twice at two different places. Please access the following link to see the discussion.

http://forums.bizhat.com/viewtopic.p...r=asc&start=30

Please avoid posting at more than one places in this forum.

Mods, I request you to please move these posts to the above location because that seems to be having much more live discussion over the same topic.

THanks

[indianbaba]

the topic is in the right place.

[http://neerajsingh.bizhat]

Ok indianbaba. Thanks for your reply :-)

[Slawen +]

Originally Posted by http://neerajsingh.bizhat

Lets be optimistic :-)

Is this some kind of gay site?
Well, I don't have any prejudice or comprehension against homosexuals, and I think that all of us are placed somewhere in the scale between homo and hetero.
But...
Homosexuality is something abot libido, and psyche, and have no matter with "Nature", or, to clear up myself, it is conceptualy wrong put the question is it or not against "Nature", because human is the natural being (and "Nothing which is human is not strange to me.").
The nature managed sexual pleasure during copulation (when I am saying "managed" I don't allude to any premeditate project or God; let's say that things are just like that) as a stimulant for succsesfull renewal of life.
Normaly, the sexual satisfaction become a disaffected phenomenon from reproduction and there is today a various forms of it.
So, we got two separate things here: reproduction and sexual pleasure.
Primarily, they walking hand by hand, but there is no harm if any of them obtain. So far.