Suicide

[resist]

What is your opinion on it? Intelligent discussion please...

[psp-heaven]

I think suicide is unacceptable. At all costs. No matter what happens. You husband/wife dies, you dont have to kill yourself to see her again, beside suicidal is against the law, and the Ten Commanments. It also makes your family extremely sad, why would you want to hurt others and yourself, just because of self-pity? People who commit suicide were already dead in the inside...

[resist]

[EskimoWagz]

Trigun quote "I very much disagree with suicide."

Suicide is stupid people. It doesn't matter how hard your life is. If every hero from every story decided that things just are to hard and the girl isn't worth saving then where would we be? Lets just take into mind that we all live in that world that the hero was trying to save, ok? Now look at things, evil rules the world and all humans are either dead or slaves.

You have to be very weak minded to comit suicide. Press on my friends when things are tough, push through the dark into the light for tomorrow, is another day.

[gipeord]

it's never acceptable at all

[http://neerajsingh.bizhat]

It's never acceptable. Never. Never.


I don't feel there would be someone who would advocate suicide.

We can discuss the kind of scenarios that compell a person to take a decision as killing as killing himself/herself - suicide.

- Neeraj

[lofidelity]

I suffer badly from depression and I know when I am not in a right state of mind that the world seems to just go down and down, yes I've tried it, but not harmed myself in any way other than having my stomach pumped - a reason enough not to ever do that again......but i think that if you are in that headspace you are not being selfish as your world seems utterly horrible you can not see any light that will get you out of it.
When people commit suicide I hear comments like, they were selfish, things couldn't have been that bad - look what they had, how could they do that to their loved ones, don't they realise everybody has problems.... I think to myself - what must have they been going through their minds, what deamons were running around in their heads to make this their only option..... It's sad, but some people can not get out of this headspace, I was just very lucky I have a supporting family, now I have people that i have to tell even if I am just the littlest bit down and then I can manage my depression.
I don't know if my comments help or hinder anyone, but it's my view....

[http://neerajsingh.bizhat]

Hi lofidelity,

Thanks for sharing your views with fellow bizhat-ians. You are at a very right place where we all are there to support each other and learn from others experience.

I am sure people reading your experience here would take away something positive. When you say -

[Slawen +]

Most of suicides are simply useful.
But, rarely there is a procreative suicide.

One of those was Herkule's, for exsample. Or Leonida's.

Do you know any recent event of creative suicide?

[http://neerajsingh.bizhat]

[Slawen +]

Recently, "Discovery" chanel shows the movie about The Termopilas, Leonidas and Xerx as very personal story.
I was taken a back by that's shalow aproach.
For example, author insists that strength of Spartan's discipline was in homosexual bounds between the Lacedemonian wariors.
Similarly, the "Alexander" movie wriglle the same thesis.

What's your opinion about that?

[Kakashi]

Being from Greece myself I must say that in our ancient times homosexuality existed and was not considered abnormal. In fact, it was quite common. I don't know whether Alexander the Great himself was homosexual or whether Leonidas and his 300 Spartans were or whatever...
I just know that the ancient greek people felt good about their sexuality, no matter what it was.
That's my input on the matter.

[http://neerajsingh.bizhat]

Readers who are new and don't know about the context being discussed here. Here is some interesting reading material for them.

Let me introduce a Hero called King Leonidas and his 300 Spartans here. I have read a bit of history about them and they were true brave soldiers who sacrificed their life for their motherland.

Legendary in the annals of history are the Spartan Warriors of Ancient Greece. Fearless defenders of liberty, they followed a strict military way of life. In 400 B.C. three hundred Spartans under King Leonidas stood alone at the end against the enormous Persian army under the tyrannical King Xerxes who was sweeping southward into Greece. The 300 Spartans fought to the death against these impossible odds in the narrow mountain pass at Thermopylae (Gates of Fire). The Persians took shocking casualities . Their narrow lines of wicker shields and short javelins were no match for the highly disciplined Spartan lines with their large bronze shields and long spears who slaughtered the Sea of Persians wave after wave.

It was only after a betrayal of a secret path and the 700 Greek allies were ordered home to warn Greece that the 300 Spartans were finally overcome. ALthough the Spartans contributed little to the artistic and intellectual development of Greece, ironically, without them Democracy and Freedom would have been wiped out in their infancy.



I have seen the movie called The 300 Spartans that is based on The Battle of Thermopylae.

The Battle of Thermopylae took place during the Greece-Persia war in roughly the 5th century BC. Some 30 city-states of central and southern Greece met in Corinth to devise a common defense (others, including the oracle at Delphi, sided with the Persians). They agreed on a combined army and navy under Spartan command, with the Athenian leader Themistokles providing the strategy. The Spartan king Leonidas led the army to the pass at Thermopylae, near present-day Lamia, the main passage from northern into central Greece..........................................
.......................The Greeks were actually heartened by the example of Leonidas and the 300 Spartans plus allies who fought at Thermopylae. The battle served as an example to officers and soldiers alike of what courage and self-sacrifice could achieve. It is still remembered today as such an example.


The Battle of Thermopylae
[Herodotus, The History of Herodotus, George Rawlinson, tr. vol. 4 (New York: D. Appleman and Company, 1885), bk. 7]

Thus nobly did the whole body of Lacedaemonians and Thespians behave; but nevertheless one man is said to have distinguished himself above all the rest, to wit, Dieneces the Spartan. A speech which he made before the Greeks engaged the Medes, remains on record. One of the Trachinians told him, "Such was the number of the barbarians, that when they shot forth their arrows the sun would be darkened by their multitude." Dieneces, not at all frightened at these words, but making light of the Median numbers, answered, "Our Trachinian friend brings us excellent tidings. If the Medes darken the sun, we shall have our fight in the shade." Other sayings too of a like nature are reported to have been left on record by this same person.

[Kakashi]

Neeraj/ Ebisu- san , I am surprised that you know so much about ancient Greek history. Indeed, their battle was brave and if it wasn't for Efialtis ( translated as Nightmare) who betrayed them, they might as well have won.
I believe that this course of action is not a suicide anymore, but a self-sacrifice. In that case, the act is not only not condemned but praised.

[http://neerajsingh.bizhat]

I do agree with you Kakashi-san. This is an act of self-sacrifice for one's motherland and it sets an example for others to follow. I believe once we have some target in our life, we can achieve anything and fight against any adversary circumstances.

Let us be brave. Let us have a reason to be or to achieve something in life. Let us NEVER act like a coward by comitting suicide.