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http://neerajsingh.bizhat
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 Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: the life saver |
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the life saver
With depression and suicides among students on the rise, life skill education is the need of the hour.
By Urmi Gagrhyry
THE STORY of an MBA student killing his lady love shocked India. Both the victim and the accused were under huge pressure. Stress, coping mechanisms, depression are terminologies that are getting more and more attention.What can be done to ensure our students' mental wellbeing?
Well, experts say, much can be done to combat stress, starting with lessons on life skill education (LSE) in our colleges / universities.
Life skills defined in a general way would mean the ability to build sound relationships with self, others and environment. It is also the ability to act responsibly and survive under a variety of conditions. It includes factors such as communications skills, emotion management, creative thinking, self awareness empathy, decision making.
We tend to be performance oriented. Few colleges in India give weightage to extra-curricular activities during admissions.A Head Counsellor, Praveen Shaiek, says, "Development can be grouped into three categories. First, is academic development then career and then life skill development. These are interwoven.Academic development alone is not enough.Life skill education has to move on in parallel with regular academics".
Keeping this in view, shouldn't life skills be an integral part of Indian education system? Manju Nechani, Principal KC College says, "LSE is very important. We have forgotten all about life skills as a result of which we see more and more students unable to cope. Not only should we research on IQ and EQ but also, efforts must be oriented towards enhancing SQ (spiritual quotient)".
Many edutainment companies have felt the need of training students on soft skills and are therefore rendering services to various schools and colleges across the country. Syed Sultan Ahmed, managing director of one such organisation says, "Planting a sapling and providing it with water alone is not enough. It also needs sunlight and good soil. Similarly, success does not predominantly depend upon study skills alone. It also is based on our life skill curriculum." Syed further added that it is very critical to expose parents and teachers to life skill education also.Mintoo Sinha,Principal, Bombay Teachers Training College, is of the opinion that such training should have follow-up session because life skills cannot be learnt by attending a few days workshops but is an ongoing process.
Why don't schools and colleges give LSE the status that it deserves? Manju Nechani opines that it is only a matter of time...The effects of life skill education is not immediate and cannot be quantitatively measured. Results can be seen only over a period of time, which is why it tends to take a back seat in this era of instant result seekers."
According to Praveen Shaiek, "Introducing professional workshops need outsourcing, which makes the matter expensive.
LSE awareness is fast growing. Snehal Sonsale, mother of two teenage children when asked whether a new programme would be welcome by our overburdened students, said, "Let us not underestimate our kids. Today's kids are ambitious and are ready to learn more and more."
However, Jeanine Chatterjee, student of Navy Children School, pretty much summed up students thoughts on LSE. She said, "We are fine with new programmes...but we want it to be done through fun and games.We don't want big home assignments from our LSE instructors!"
(The author is a practicing school psychologist )
Source: Times Of India Newspaper, Bangalore - India Edition
Date: Jan 23, 2006
Link : http://epaperdaily.timesofindia.com
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Let us NEVER act like a coward by comitting suicide. |
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| http://neerajsingh.bizhat wrote: | | This is an act of self-sacrifice for one's motherland and it sets an example for others to follow. |
I can not agree with that.
Sacrifising for their own motherland/fatherland (depends of cultural aproach) wasn't objective Spartans try to achive.
No. They fought not for the others but for themself, for the glory, for the place in the sky just beside the ancestry. And they do that in Spartanian way, which alluded no retreat. Simply as that.
They were aware stalemate position of their own. Xerx, the Persian King, sent them a message to surrender: "I don't want your lives, I just want your weapon."
Leonidas responded: "Come and get it." |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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 I believe Dr. Kevorkian is onto something. I think he’s great. Because suicide is our way of saying to God, "You can’t fire me. I quit." (Bill Maher)
Dear Slawen.
You are free to have your own beliefs. I can't argue over that. It seems you are in the grip of prejudice. I would ask you to go and refer the history and clear your concepts. I fear someday you would come and say that soldiers who die fighting for their country are comiting suicide 
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| http://neerajsingh.bizhat wrote: | :
Dear Slawen.
You are free to have your own beliefs. I can't argue over that. It seems you are in the grip of prejudice. I would ask you to go and refer the history and clear your concepts. I fear someday you would come and say that soldiers who die fighting for their country are comiting suicide |
Oh, no, it isn't a matter of history, not in essantial meaning. This is a question of influence of mythic to forming the cultural foundation of collective awarenes.
I'm Serb.
Almost every Europian nation, so the Serbs, have their own version of Thermopilas.
Our is Kosovo.
In the year 1389, Serbs fough against the Turk's invasion. Kosovo, the genuine Serb's land, was ordered for battlefield. But, unlike Spartans, Serbs haven't even try to circumvent hundred time numbered Turks. There wasn't any ilusion in Serbs victory. Serbs knew they all will be killed and their efforts are purposeless. And things went that way.
However, five centuries after battle which bring slavery to Serbs, the myth of Kosovo was living in the Serb nation and helped Serbs to rise against Turks.
That was the power of victory Serbs obtain despite Turks military success.
Do you think they haven't knew story about Spartans and Thermopilas? |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: Some exapmples of self-sacrifice |
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| Slawen wrote: | Oh, no, it isn't a matter of history, not in essantial meaning. This is a question of influence of mythic to forming the cultural foundation of collective awarenes.
I'm Serb. Almost every Europian nation, so the Serbs, have their own version of Thermopilas. Our is Kosovo.
In the year 1389, Serbs fough against the Turk's invasion. Kosovo, the genuine Serb's land, was ordered for battlefield. But, unlike Spartans, Serbs haven't even try to circumvent hundred time numbered Turks. There wasn't any ilusion in Serbs victory. Serbs knew they all will be killed and their efforts are purposeless. And things went that way.
However, five centuries after battle which bring slavery to Serbs, the myth of Kosovo was living in the Serb nation and helped Serbs to rise against Turks. That was the power of victory Serbs obtain despite Turks military success. Do you think they haven't knew story about Spartans and Thermopilas? |
Dear Slawen,
If given a chance, I would prefer to go with this "Kosovo version". This article gives us some information about the famous battle of Kosovo in 1389 under the title KOSOVO AND METOHIA IN THE SERBIAN HISTORY.
Here is some relevant excerpts from the above article.
As known from history, the advance of the Turks towards Europe was a rather slow process. Prince Lazar Hrebeljanovic and Serbian nobility in the famous battle of Kosovo in 1389 did everything humanly possible to stop the Turkish invasion toward south eastern Europe. It was not only a clash of two armies led by their rulers Serbian prince Lazar and Turkish sultan Murat (who both perished in the battle of Kosovo), but also a clash of two civilizations, one Christian and European and other Islamic and Asiatic. Read More.....
Source: Slavenko TERZIC, Ph.D.
Historical institute of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Friend Slawen, I can see that they didn't simply give up. They fought like any other true warrior and in the end Prince sacrificed his life for his country. Anyway, we are free to chose our own version of history and there is no one there to stop us. I would rather prefer to be positive and fight and lay down our life for the betterment of my country over giving up in the beginning itself.
I am from India and we can count so many instances where we fought and just fought for our freedom without giving it a second thought. On many occasions, you would be calling it a suicide but IT WAS NOT. We call it self sacrifice for something good. Let me give you three exapmles from Indian history to bring home my point of view.
Mahatma Gandhi - Father of the nation who gave us (India) freedom from the British rule. Even mighty British couldn't imagine that one single person can do any harm to them and that also when Mahatma teaches non-violence. You would be surprised to know that he won freedom for us without a single bullet.
By means of nonviolent civil disobedience, Gandhi helped bring about India's independence from British rule, inspiring other colonial peoples to work for their own independence and ultimately dismantling the British Empire. Gandhi's principle of satyagraha (from Sanskrit; satya for truth and agraha for endeavour), often translated as "way of truth" or "pursuit of truth", has inspired other freedom activists such as Martin Luther King, Jr., the Dalai Lama, Lech Wałęsa, Stephen Biko, Aung San Suu Kyi, and Nelson Mandela. However, not all these leaders kept to Gandhi's strict principle of nonviolence and nonresistance. Read More...
Maha Rana Pratap - a great warrior - He died fighting for his nation, for his people, and most importantly for his honor. In 1576, the famous battle of Haldighati was fought with 20,000 Rajputs against a Mughal army of 80,000 men commanded by Raja Man Singh. The battle was fierce though indecisive, to the Mughal army's astonishment. Read More.....
1971 India-Pakistan War: Battle of Longewal - The Battle of Longewal, fought in the deserts of the Indian state of Rajasthan, merits inclusion in any account of the 1971 India-Pakistan war because of the sheer audacity of the Pakistani generals who had planned it. Had it succeeded, India would have lost thousands of kilometres of a vast expanse of desert. But there is a fine line between the daring and the foolhardy. Did Pakistani generals cross that dividing line?
The Pakistani plan was no less ambitious and a surprise attack was launched along the Gabbar-Longewal axis. The main axis lay to the north, connecting the Indian town of Jaisalmir with the Pakistani town of Islamgarh and Rahimiyar Khan beyond it. The intruding Pakistani armoured column and accompanying towed artillery was spotted by an Indian patrol on 4th December after it had come 16 km into Indian territory. The first reports were dismissed, until the enemy took up position just 300 metres away from the isolated Indian Army company located at Longewal. The unit had no anti-tank weapons or mines. The Pakistanis could have overrun the post within hours. But the Indian company commander, Major Kuldip Singh Chandpuri, showed presence of mind by bringing in the company's recoilless guns and heavy machine guns and directing concentrated and sustained fire at the enemy positions. The Pakistanis were taken aback by the extent of the fire and felt that the Indians must have a much larger force at Longewal than reported by their Intelligence. Instead of storming the post and carrying on to Jaisalmir as was the plan, the Pakistanis encircled the post and decided to set up their artillery to soften it up before attacking. Read More....
Similarly, not only I anyone can quote so many instances from their history, culture, religion that would support one point of view wherein we can distinguish between a suicide and self-sacrifice for some good reasons and NOT for personal gains.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:07 am Post subject: If God wanted us to take our own life |
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An interesting suicide story.. read at the following location in this forum.
http://forums.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=19622
Here is the gist.
If God wanted us to take our own life, he would have provided a poweroff button. He didn't, so have faith and let his plan for you unfold. Because no matter how tough life gets and how much it hurts, if street dogs don't give up, there is no reason why we, the smart species, should. Makes sense right? |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:55 am Post subject: As I jumped off the building's 11th floor........... |
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As I jumped off the building's 11th floor...........
10th floor
9th floor
7th floor
6th floor
4th floor
3rd floor
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Now the ground zero
Ya. Life in all its sorrows and happiness, is still beautiful and precious.... do make the best of it..........Only Cheers....n....smiles are counted. So u better be prepared to smile at whoever u come across!. |
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I think anyone who commits suicide for the purpose of re-joining someone in heaven is just throwing away their life for no reason, because of course there is no such thing as heaven.
I think suicide is perfectly acceptable to relieve pain, escape severe depression, or simply for entertainment. It's their life, let them do with it what they want. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:46 am Post subject: suicide and kaw |
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| dontfeedthedragon wrote: | I think anyone who commits suicide for the purpose of re-joining someone in heaven is just throwing away their life for no reason, because of course there is no such thing as heaven.
I think suicide is perfectly acceptable to relieve pain, escape severe depression, or simply for entertainment. It's their life, let them do with it what they want. |
Dear dontfeedthedragon,
I have not come across any case wherein a person comits suicide for fun. It's very very difficult to take this dicision. Extreme pain, severe depression are some of the probable causes as mentioned by you. But, you would always find someone who are in more pain than us, so it's un-acceptable there too.
In my country, comiting suicide is a crime. So, even the law doesn't permit us.
Now you can say, who bothered about law, after one had died.
So the discussion goes on... |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| i think suicide is a quick way out. i have tired it two times and failed both times...but i do think it is a good way to die for me. |
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| Is there any taker of his thought? Hopelesssssssssss |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Some exapmples of self-sacrifice |
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| http://neerajsingh.bizhat wrote: |
Similarly, not only I anyone can quote so many instances from their history, culture, religion that would support one point of view wherein we can distinguish between a suicide and self-sacrifice for some good reasons and NOT for personal gains.[/color] |
Thank's for impresive lesson in India's history, especialy in Sanskrit (one of ours academician claims that our own language was evolved from Sanskrit).
I'm also very glad to see that you was courteous to find some facts about our (Serb's) history. In the same time, I must say that Slavenko Terzic is very competent authority, but also a little bit one-sided. He was a expert witness in the Slobodan Milosevic's trial, proffer by the defender, for the exapmle.
I agree that is always a good mutual reason for self-sacrifising. It comes in selfdestruction, but also in destruction of as many enemies as possible. There is an heroe's conscience of impossibility to win the victory, but the belief in benefit (for the others, for the fatherland...) of the battle is not necessary the element of their thoughts; on the contrary, they would self-sacrifised themselves in the absence of any positive effect of theirs deeds (deads) or despite that.
I'm wondering the personal reasons which propel that men to do what they were did, because I beleve that every man have his own intimate background.
That's my point.
Please, don't understand my posts as attempt to negate your's state.
I just want to talk with some inteligent and responsive about things we need no to conciliate. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Some exapmples of self-sacrifice |
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| nobody wrote: | | http://neerajsingh.bizhat wrote: |
Similarly, not only I anyone can quote so many instances from their history, culture, religion that would support one point of view wherein we can distinguish between a suicide and self-sacrifice for some good reasons and NOT for personal gains.[/color] |
Thank's for impresive lesson in India's history, especialy in Sanskrit (one of ours academician claims that our own language was evolved from Sanskrit).
I'm also very glad to see that you was courteous to find some facts about our (Serb's) history. In the same time, I must say that Slavenko Terzic is very competent authority, but also a little bit one-sided. He was a expert witness in the Slobodan Milosevic's trial, proffer by the defender, for the exapmle.
I agree that is always a good mutual reason for self-sacrifising. It comes in selfdestruction, but also in destruction of as many enemies as possible. There is an heroe's conscience of impossibility to win the victory, but the belief in benefit (for the others, for the fatherland...) of the battle is not necessary the element of their thoughts; on the contrary, they would self-sacrifised themselves in the absence of any positive effect of theirs deeds (deads) or despite that.
I'm wondering the personal reasons which propel that men to do what they were did, because I beleve that every man have his own intimate background.
That's my point.
Please, don't understand my posts as attempt to negate your's state.
I just want to talk with some inteligent and responsive about things we need no to conciliate. |
That is my post, but, for some reason, it is not my name beside. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Dear friend Slawen+ , I am glad to see you back once again in this forum.
Thanks for supporting our view and supplementing it with your ideas. |
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I'm sorry that I'm too busy to visiting this site more frequently, but I'm doing my best.
See you. |
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